A Consulting Call Shouldn't Be A Sales Pitch
Thanks to John aka ColderICE for his great radio show today. I had to listen to it when he said he was outing someone. And wouldn't you know, it was someone on my poop list, who I've pointed at before here in this blog.
This link will download an MP3 of the radio show, which was the 1 July 2009 "BS Walks" show John does on TalkShoe.com.
John gives a bad rating for Bonanzle late in the show, which I was very interested in. I disagree that Bonanzle is a good solution if you want an eCommerce presence. If you want one, get a buyitsellit.com or Vendio Store. Why bring traffic to a marketplace with competitors! Bring people to your own website.
But it was the middle of the show that tickled me.
John found out that Skip McGrath just started tweeting on Twitter, but is already trying to push an e-book about Twitter. You can evidently get his free e-book if you sign up and agree to have a 30-minute "consulting call." Ugh. Then it's not really free, is it. It takes your time and energy.
John's first point was basically why is a Twitter newbie trying to push/sell you an e-book about something that is new to him? I've been on Twitter since April 2008. I should write an e-book! John should write an e-book. Skip, this is not your specialty.
Not mentioned in John's show is something I noticed in Skip's tweets. He's looking for YOU to tweet him Twitter tips (for his book). So once again, he's barely writing his own book. I saw him do this for his last eBay book... he was in eBay discussion forums asking people for information.
John continued with a caller, Karen, who reported her experience signing up for Skip's e-book. She got the "consulting call." She said they asked questions about what she wanted to get out of this, how her credit was, and how her finances were. She said she didn't have credit cards, and lived on a fixed income. Karen reported that the "consulting call" contained no consulting or advice, even though she asked about product sourcing (supposedly Skip's specialty). The call lasted 8 minutes and 8 seconds, and the caller told her to buy Skip's system.
FAIL. Karen said on John's radio show that her impression of Skip was that everything he sends out is just full of affiliate links. She said that wasn't a consulting call, it was a sales pitch, and she thought the whole thing really felt like a "snake oil salesman." Her call wasn't with Skip, by the way. It was with one of his "coaches."
But this matches everything else I've seen from Skip, and why he's on my poop list. Time after time, I've seen him not have original information or advice. His informational products seem to be taken from other people's information or publicly available info. He is mining YOU and your tips for his books, but did you get paid for that? Did you get any credit?
I don't think his materials are right for anybody. I don't want newbies reading that stuff. I don't want veteran eBay sellers reading that stuff. I just think that this whole thing isn't much. And I'm still not happy with the time Skip admitted that he hadn't checked out a company he was promoting (to make affiliate money)... he had to admit that after his loyal followers paid that company and felt scammed.
Don't sell out your followers.
Twitter is about quality interactions with people who have something interesting to say. I'm not following Skip, but he's following me. :) Well, as of when I'm typing this, anyway.
Thanks to John and his caller, Karen, for coming out and publicly talking about this. It's easy to keep things quiet and not want to air this stuff. But people should know the truth. A free e-book is rarely truly free. A consulting call should not be a sales pitch. No "coach" representing a blogger/educator should be asking people about their credit and finances (and Karen should have refused to answer). I'm just not OK with any of this.





His Twitter profile says he's a GOLD powerseller, but what does he sell? He doesn't give his eBay ID on anything I can find.
Posted by: Darla | Thursday, 02 July 2009 at 07:20 AM
Skip sells many products, but his MAIN product over the years has been outdoor grills. His eBay ID is McGrrrrr (http://tinyurl.com/nnv8ru)
He is a publish author, eBay trainer and eBay powerseller. I respect his ability when it comes to information gathering as well as his ability to author books. None can deny his longevity in this space.
I was PERSONALLY questioning ONLY his expertise on Twitter in my broadcast. Although the caller did bring to light some interesting tactics on the "coaching call" , that I find rather HARD SELL to simply get an ebook about Twitter?!?
John (from ColderICE.com)
Posted by: John (ColderICE) | Thursday, 02 July 2009 at 09:41 AM
My name is Nathan, I run the coaching program for Skip.
I would love to talk with Karen and give her some free coaching. We never intend to leave a bad taste in anyones mouth and I would like to get the bottom of this personally. If you look at our free consultation as a sales pitch thats generally all you are going to get out of it. We do provide coaching that is provided by Gold Powersellers (Im pretty sure we are the only eBay mentoring and training company out there that provides one on one coaching with a Gold Powerseller).
Does the coaching cost money? Sure it does. But are we using deceptive marketing practices? No Way. We are one of the only real, honest & legitimate resources for this type of training. As far as Twitter Expertise goes it does not take much for a newbie to figure out how it works but Skip has some really good Ideas in his new book and some very usefull information about how to use social networking as a key component to promote your online business. And if you have hundreds of thousands of people that subscribe to your newsletter it is your fudiciary obligation as a educator/ mentor to provide good content and keep subscribers up to speed on what really works. Thats what Skip McGrath is really all about.
If you would like to get a free copy of the e-book in question you can get it from me directly and judge for yourself. Call me at 800-578-3449. I will even spare you the sales pitch.:)
But the nature of the post on this blog here is good. People dont want be SOLD, they want buy something. And a great marketing strategy is to give something of great value away for free to build buyer confidence. One of my consultants missed their mark on trying to help Karen which will give me the chance to do what I do best. Over deliver.
Call me Karen @ 800-578-3449 and I will make it worth your time. Anyone else that would like a free consultation and evaluation on their eBay business I will personally be happy to oblige you.
Many Successfull Regards,
Nathan Bailey
Director Of Business Consulting
www.skipmcgrathcoaching.com
nathan@skipmcgrathcoaching.com
800-578-3449
Posted by: Nathan Bailey | Friday, 03 July 2009 at 10:16 PM
I think we all know what Skip McGrath is all about.
As for the things you said, I won't bother countering most of them since they weren't worth it.
But I'll say this. There is "I figured Twitter out," and "I have the knowledge and experience to offer myself as an expert you should turn to." We know Skip is asking the Twitterverse to help him write his e-book (will those people get credit?), and I've seen Skip do this before on some of his other books.
And don't forget some of the other things some of us know about that we're not saying publicly. :)
The public has this guy's number, and I appreciate John's radio show for breaking the news. I'm just repeating what others already know and think.
Posted by: Debbie Levitt | Saturday, 04 July 2009 at 08:02 AM